Assalamualaikum to Muslims only, The Anti Hadith species have rejected the following hadeeth with reason that the hadeeth is ILLOGICAL. My task in this posting is to answer such accusation based upon an article written by Dr. Amin Ridha of the Surgical Department of the Medical Department in University of Alexendria of Egypt. The
article was published in 1977 in a magazine called AT TAUHID. So the Anti Hadeeth THEORISTS is a couple of decades late for the explanation. The hadith is as follows:
"When a fly falls into your cup, then we are to dip the fly into the cup since one of it's wings contains a disease while the other wing contains the antidote" (Bukhari)
The Lie: This hadith is illogical as this goes against any LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. Besides,everybody knows that flies only carry disease and the notion that flies carry antidote as well is a hoax. Bukhari is really lying to us.1
The Truth:1) In fact, this hadith contains a SCIENTIFIC PHENOMENON which was never discovered until after 1200 years this hadeeth was uttered by the Prophet SAW. For 1200 years no scientists has ever discovered DISEASES that is caused by FLIES. It is only in the last two centuries that scientist were able to discover that flies carries with them diseases. So,this hadeeth is CERTAINLY TRUE as such scientific phenomenon was UTTERED by the Prophet 1200 years before it was discovered
2) The idea that FLIES carry DISEASE only is also a hoax since ANTIDOTES has been
discovered to have been extracted from flies. This is proven by the PHDdisertation presented by an intern under me by the name of Dr. Abdul Futuh Mustafa which was presented to the University of Alexandria a few years ago. It has been discovered that flies carry with them ANTIDOTES that can cure bone fractures and cuts. This is due to the fact that flies carries with them the virus BACTERIOFAG which can kill germs at the same time that the flies carry. That is why flies are now being rared for the purpose of extracting antidotes.
3) WE all know that GERMS and VIRUS are now used to CURE diseases.
HEnce,the discovery of ANTIBIOTICS. So what is so strange about FLIES carrying germs and viruses when we ourselves use virus and germs for medical purposes.
4) Those who claim that this hadith is hoax base their argument solely on LOGIC and COMMON SENSE and none of them could come up with a scientific study, a dissertation or anything of the sort to REFUTE this hadeeth. Yet they can claim that others are lying.
5) The hadith DOES NOT forbid Doctors and Medical officers from destroying all the flies that exist in a community. So the belief that FLIES should not be killed is an
assumption only and not stated by the Hadeeth.
6) There are SO many SCIENTIFIC phenomenon that man has yet to discover.
Just because they have not been discovered yet does not make them false.
7) ALways remember that the hadeeth was uttered to a people who are ILLITERATE and UNEDUCATED. So it's kindda difficult for them to understand the hadeeth should the Prophet SAW had used modern medical terms. But many of those who doubt this hadeeth are STUPID enough not to know this.
There are other INSULTS that the good doctor has made, in a nice manner of course, to those who doubt this hadeeth. As for the people of SIGNS magazine and many in ROPE or TAATRASUL, their doubt in this hadeeth and OTHER hadeeths is based solely on IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE and EXTREME STUPIDITY. The people of SIGNS magazine are nothing but a bunch of clowns and they come up with RUBBISH in their magazine expecting people to swallow everything that they spit out.
That's what it is.... a bunch of spits. If the hadeeth on FLIES can be supported by scientific facts, then you can bet the hadeeth on camel urine and many other hadeeth of which you UNSCIENTIFIC mind thought to be ILLOGICAL and IRRATIONAL can contian
scientific proof.
May Allah SWT render His blessings on the good doctor Amin Redha and also to the great Imam, Imam Al Bukhari rhm. May Allah bless Imam Syafiee, Ahmad, Abu Hanifah, Malik, Imam Muslim, Tirmizi, Abu Dawud, An Nasai, Ibnu Majjah, Ad Dairimi and the rest. May Allah show those who doubt the hadeeth the RIGHT path and stop followingthe rubbish made by the Anti Hadeeth
Friday, June 27, 2008
Hadeeth on Flies
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Assalamualaikum to Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jamaah.
Rahman Celcom wants us to dunk flies into our tea. He says this is good for our health.
Well lets reply some of Rahman's arguments.
"an article written by Dr. Amin Ridha of the Surgical Department of the Medical Department in University of Alexendria of Egypt. The article was published in 1977 in a magazine called AT TAUHID."
Rahman, the magazine At Tauhid was not a scientific medical journal. It was some hocus pocus magazine that possibly has gone out of business. Maybe not enough advertisement from fly-soup manufacturers!
"only in the last two centuries that scientist were able to discover that flies carries with them diseases."
Rahman for over a thousand years my grandparents can tell me the meaning of 'lalat tahi'. They are those flies that sit on najis manusia and chicken droppings everywhere. When the lalat tahi sit on our food we chase them away. In fact Rahman that is why our Malay culture invented 'tudung' to cover the food ie to prevent the flies from sitting on the food. We did not know about virus or bacteria but all our ancestors knew that flies are dirty.
"This is proven by the PHD disertation presented by an intern under me by the name of Dr. Abdul Futuh Mustafa which was presented to the University of Alexandria a few years ago."
PhD for what? Where was the dissertation published? Has Egypt or U of Alexandria won any Nobel Prize for medicine? That is why the Arab countries are so backward. They can accept PhD dissertation that 'tahi lalat' are good for health.
'It has been discovered that flies carry with them ANTIDOTES that can cure bone fractures and cuts. This is due to the fact that flies carries with them the virus BACTERIOFAG which can kill germs at the same time that the flies carry.'
This is not true. Flies are insect world. They have no bones. So they cannot possibly carry ANTIDOTES that can cure bone fractures. This is a lie.
Cont.
Assalamualaikum to Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaah.
'That is why flies are now being rared for the purpose of extracting antidotes'
Rahman this is another lie. There is no such thing. If you have any proof for this please bring it forward.
All animals, even bacteria, carry bacteriophages. These are even smaller bacteria that live inside insects and even bacteria. The bacteriophage form part of the living things own defense mechanism. For example even a disease causing bacteria will have natural enemies which can destroy it. To defend itself the bacteria will need a bacteriophage. Even insects have bacteriophages which form part of their own defense nechanism. But these bacteriophages will not help others.
A fly will have its own defense mechanism made up of bacteriophages to fight off diseases and infections. But this does not mean that the fly will not carry dangerous bacteria that will spread disease to humans.
Also Rahman flies are dangerous because they are 'mechanical vectors'. This means they mechanically carry mud, pollen grains, dust, faeces, organic matter etc from one place to another. In the fish market, flies sit on rotting fish. When they fly to the teh tarik stall they carry some of the rotting fish material that mechanically sticks to their hairy legs. If such a fly falls in your tea and you dunk the fly completely into the tea, you are only assisting the fly to transfer the rotting fish material directoy into your tea.
The other wings or leg of the fly does not have any antidote. You are lying.
Here is a question for you: How many wings does a fly have? On which wing is the antidote?
Human faeces rarely sticks to flies wings.They stick to the flies hairy legs. It is incorrect to say that faeces sticks to flies wings. The flies wings beat a few thousand times a minute, anything sticking to them will fall off immediately. Otherwise the fly cannot fly.
Assalamu alaikum to Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaah.
'So what is so strange about FLIES carrying germs and viruses when we ourselves use virus and germs for medical purposes'
Rahman, flies do not carry germs per se. They carry mud, pollen, faeces, rotting material that sticks to the hairs on their legs. Flies have six legs. The do not carry anything on their wings.
Flies cannot carry viruses inside their bodies. Like other animals, they will also die or get sick if a virus gets inside their bodies. That is why to kill flies thru biological vectors, the entomologists try to find bacteriophages that are harmful to some insects like mosquitos or flies. Once injected with special bacteriophages, the insects can die.
So Rahman a fly does not cary a virus inside it. If it does, it may get sick. A fly can carry faeces on its hairy legs (not on its wings) which can then be mechanically transported to food or drink. If this happens then our food can be contaminated and we get sick from the bacteria in the faeces.
"Those who claim that this hadith is hoax base their argument solely on LOGIC and COMMON SENSE and none of them could come up with a scientific study, a dissertation or anything of the sort to REFUTE this hadeeth. Yet they can claim that others are lying"
Rahman there is no scientific evidence for what you say. The magazine At Tauhid is NOT a scientific journal. The PhD dissertation was never published. We do not even know that it existed. Do not tell lies.
"ALways remember that the hadeeth was uttered to a people who are ILLITERATE and UNEDUCATED"
Rahman now you are telling the truth.
Rahman can you also explain this hadith:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
'During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them'
I always watch National Geographic Animal Planet, Jeff Corwin, Discovery Channel. So far I have not seen any monkeys doing this.
Assalamu Alaikum to Rahman Celcom.
anon says:
"Rahman for over a thousand years my grandparents can tell me the meaning of 'lalat tahi'."
I don't get it. Is your grandparent 1000 yrs old.
And your grandparents are scientists, i assume?
As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you Wow! Thank you! I always wanted to write in my site something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog?
yo, you talk alot about some dissertations. where are they? or are you just full of hot air? give me some links, pdf file to download about does fly dissertations.
Hi all, I would like to add to the opposition to this hadeeth of the fly.
I made a fly on purposely fall into a drink of water. And without submerging the fly, I removed the fly and drank the water.
I'm still as healthy as I was when I drank it and didn't get sick yet.
so this can mean one of two things. Either my body is strong enough and don't need the antidote; or there's no harmful germ that could make me sick.
So that's just me. But try it yourself! I'm sure there must be a fly somewhere to throw in your drink, and then see what happens. If you don't get sick then the hadeeth is most likely an old fake.
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